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Re: Dogs on the beach!
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2012, 17:59:08 PM »
As a dog owner myself and someone who lives by the sea I totally agree with all that has been said. There is a place for dogs and the beach is not it! As said so many times in PP there is a problem with clearing up after dogs - why should anyone think that the beach will be different? It won't be and probably sand being kicked comes to mind!
Where I live right on the coast, No dog is allowed on the beach from the end of April until November. This is good and as a dog owner I agree that this should be so. Only this year too we had an incident which hit the news of a somewhat vicious dog attacking a young child. As Bella said the sound of excited children along with being in a place which they are not used to plus the sound of water which many dogs do not like and the feel of sand in their paws might just prove too much. Even the most gentle of dogs might just react.
I think this is wrong full stop. As for it increasing tourists to the area well what rubbish! How many of us take our dogs on holiday? Very few. It will be locals walking their dogs and in my opinion will not increase tourists to the area but may very well have the opposite effect.

What ever next - doggie high chairs in restaurants!!  ::)
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2012, 19:09:59 PM »
Very well made points, Eleanor. It seems to me that there is a confusion between restrictions being placed on dogs and attitudes towards them. It doesn't follow that dogs being barred from certain public places, e.g. beaches, equals being anti-dog; there are many dog owners (the great majority, one might hope) who appreciate that dogs carry a risk, even if it may be low. But even if it is low, why place yourself (if you are a town hall) in the position of any negativity that may come from permission to allow dogs onto beaches? It is a very odd decision by the town hall and I agree that it won't be a boost to tourism; it could even prove to be the opposite. As for fencing parts of beaches off - as Bella suggests - I can't see how this could happen. Beaches are public spaces where there are meant to be no restrictions. There could be designated areas for dogs (which presumably will be what the town hall will create), but you couldn't separate them physically.

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2012, 19:59:08 PM »
Plus if the dogs are allowed off the lead that too can cause problems and some of them can run fast and jump high too!
As I said here we are allowed to take dogs on the beach during the winter months but I won't even do that! There is no need and kids play on the beach during the winter too.
No second chances with kids! Why the heck would they want to encourage dogs on to the beach when many places in Europe are banning them? Even in France - the home of many 'over the top' dog lovers - many beaches ban dogs from the beach and in Monaco we were surprised to see that people could receive a fine. More like it I say!
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2012, 22:12:43 PM »
Completely agree with all the above comments, and thanks for putting them forward so clearly! With such strong arguments I really cannot see how this "motion" could be carried!  :-\
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2012, 22:13:54 PM »
I'll add my tuppence worth and say that allowing dogs onto the beach is ok anytime November to March but at other times it is wrong. Especially in hot countries where the risk of infection is even higher. If you don't mind the pun the council have made a "Dog's dinner" of this.

As Eleanor says, how many people take their dog on holiday to Mallorca?  If so where will they be staying?. How many apartment owners/ hotels are pet friendly.? The decision cannot be based on the likelihood of increased tourism, more likely lobbying by locals.

I can see families moving to other beaches and business suffering as a result. On the other hand there may be opportunities for  the entrepreneurs. New menus could be created for mans best friend

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"Mad Dog" Chilli (get it?)
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2012, 22:22:25 PM »
All served in the new restaurant .."Scrufts" !!   ;D
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2012, 09:19:53 AM »
One of the main differences between UK beaches and those in Pollensa (Med) is that we have tides in the UK and generally the sand is 'washed clean' by the tidal waters. Even allowing dogs on the beach in the winter months has its problems insofar as the worm can live up to 7 years (generally 5) if buried in the sand as the temperature never drops below zero which is enough to kill it off. I suppose Andrew is the person to comment > is there any point in contacting the 'authorities' if I have a problem with the suggestion (or indeed if anyone supports the idea) or is it fait accompli ?
Received a text today which read GNAB ~ I think that is bang out of order. It doesn't matter if the glass is half full or half empty - there is clearly more room for more wine. I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2012, 11:04:10 AM »
I would imagin that it is only the locals who have any right of say at all, but I'm sure if a group presented the health problems to the authorities that some attention must be taken.  :-\
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2012, 11:53:29 AM »
It's a fair point about tides washing beaches. I suppose they would argue that beaches here are cleaned but how often and thoroughly is  anyone's guess. My advice is to use the contact form on the town hall's website and register a complaint, be someone tourist or resident. If it's in English, it's their problem, but if enough people sent a complaint then they would have to take some notice.

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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2012, 11:58:39 AM »
Thanks Andrew.  Do you by any chance have a link to the relevant page please?  :-*
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2012, 12:35:48 PM »
This is the link to the contact form. By way of explanation: Nom is Christian name; cognoms - surnames (or surname for the British - usually). Tema is subject. 5000 characters max for the missatge.

Don't know what happens if you choose under cercador de persones, but presumably the message is directed specifically. Under Unitat, it could be Batlia or Turisme, Medi Ambient. Under Càrrec (responsibility), it might therefore be Batle (mayor) or 2on. Tinent de Batle who is Maria Petra Buades Cifre, the councillor for tourism. And her name would go under Nom.

http://www.ajpollenca.net/contacte/index.ct.html

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2012, 13:26:32 PM »
Thanks Andrew, great help.
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2012, 13:27:24 PM »
This is the link to the contact form. By way of explanation: Nom is Christian name; cognoms - surnames (or surname for the British - usually). Tema is subject. 5000 characters max for the missatge.
Don't know what happens if you choose under cercador de persones, but presumably the message is directed specifically. Under Unitat, it could be Batlia or Turisme, Medi Ambient. Under Càrrec (responsibility), it might therefore be Batle (mayor) or 2on. Tinent de Batle who is Maria Petra Buades Cifre, the councillor for tourism. And her name would go under Nom.
http://www.ajpollenca.net/contacte/index.ct.html

THANK YOU Andrew - that page is actually available in English see ...... http://www.ajpollenca.net/contacte/index.en.html
A number of people I know have already registered the fact they are disappointed regarding the decision.
I am currently exchanging emails with the local vet (surgery near main town centre car park) as I am hopeful he is going to take the matter up with the Council - he also lives in the Port.
Received a text today which read GNAB ~ I think that is bang out of order. It doesn't matter if the glass is half full or half empty - there is clearly more room for more wine. I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.

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Re: Dogs on the beach!
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2012, 10:16:04 AM »
Andrew's right to rant;





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Has Pollensa town hall taken leave of its senses? Its decision to designate two beaches in the town - Llenaire in Puerto Pollensa and Cala Carbó in Cala San Vicente - as beaches where pets (i.e. dogs) can be taken is idiotic. The scheme is due to take effect from next season, but the outcry against the decision has already started and is likely to grow louder.

Something needs to be made clear, because the subject of dogs can raise emotions and irrational reactions. Placing restrictions on dogs on beaches in the summer season - banning them, in other words - is not an example of being anti-dog. It is an example of common sense. Plenty of dog owners, dog lovers, appreciate why there are such bans. It has nothing to do with disliking dogs. It has everything to do with avoiding the possibility, however low this might be, of disease being transmitted or of there being an incident involving a dog.

When the possibility was first raised of a pilot scheme in Pollensa to allow dogs on beaches, it seemed ridiculous because the beach that was being spoken of was a strip of rustic beach to which no one goes. It was, nevertheless, a pilot scheme that was proposed because it was felt that the ban on dogs was too restrictive.

Rather than a pilot scheme, the town hall appears intent on going full steam ahead and promoting the beaches with the aid of local hotels. Cala Carbó is a small beach, Llenaire isn't; it was the beach that David Cameron chose during the summer. Though Llenaire is an urbanisation away from the centre of Puerto Pollensa, the name Llenaire beach is used interchangeably with the name Tamarells beach to refer to the resort's main beach.

Why has the town hall come to this decision? It says it is in response to an increased demand and to the fact that many visitors are pet owners and that they wish to go to a resort where they can take their pets (the decision does refer to pets, though it is hard to see which animals other than dogs it would really apply to). Previously, the town hall had also spoken about tourism of a certain "quality" which would be attracted to Puerto Pollensa were it to promote itself as pet-friendly.

I think the town hall is talking total garbage. Where exactly is the evidence for its claim that there is an increased demand by tourists to take their pets to beaches? And perhaps more importantly, where would these tourists be coming from? It is possible for, say, tourists from the UK to take pets on flights, but it is a hassle of a procedure and a potentially expensive one for a short vacation. Tourists who might wish to bring pets would be ones travelling by road or on ferries, and these tourists may well already be bringing their pets.

In a report of the town hall's decision, a reference has been made to a tour operator which specialises in tourist destinations for pets with which the town hall has been in contact since earlier this year. This is curious. The website of this "tour operator" makes no mention of tours. It is, or appears to be, a one-person, dog-loving website that offers advice on dogs in Mallorca and which has been advocating that dogs be allowed to be taken onto beaches. Approaches to this end have been made to a few town halls, Pollensa being one of them.

I am not disputing for one moment this website's right to advocate the taking of dogs onto beaches, its right to lobby for greater permissiveness where dogs are concerned or the sincerity behind the advocacy, but what I am questioning is the basis upon which the town hall has arrived at its decision. The implication of the report (which may of course not be entirely accurate) is that it has been the contact with this "tour operator", of which it is further said that it will start promoting Pollensa as a destination for pet owners. 

Something else which is curious is that there seems to have been no obvious opposition to the decision among town hall councillors. Are they all oblivious to the potential risks, among which would be one of tourists without dogs deciding they will go somewhere else?

Why were dogs ever banned from beaches in the first place? Not because people didn't like dogs but because of certain and legitimate worries, such as toxocariasis. Nothing has changed in this regard, so why adopt a measure that raises unnecessarily the possibility of risk and which is of highly questionable benefit?
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Re: Dogs on the beach!
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2012, 10:55:29 AM »
I've had an email in response to this article that makes a point that had not occurred to me, namely what would this do for blue flag status? I know this was lost this summer for different reasons, but if the town hall wants it back then dogs would seem to be the last thing the beach should have.